• New assembled PC

    From kyuzo@2:250/1 to All on Fri Jun 5 14:06:04 2026
    Hi folks,
    Where could I assemble a good PC Linux (better, Mageia!;)) oriented on
    the web?

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  • From Mike Easter@2:250/1 to All on Fri Jun 5 17:44:31 2026
    kyuzo wrote:
    Hi folks,
    Where could I assemble a good PC Linux (better, Mageia!;)) oriented on
    the web?

    I don't understand this question.

    To me, 'assemble a PC' means to purchase parts, typically for a desktop computer, such as case, power supply, motherboard, CPU, ram, keyboard,
    mouse, monitor, etc and 'assemble' those parts into a working computer
    without an operating system such as would be installed by an OEM selling
    an assembled desktop computer, typically with Windows, but sometimes
    more expensively with linux.

    Then, you say 'oriented on the web' -- or maybe the construction could
    be reordered to be, 'where on the web could I (find the necessary pieces
    and parts to) assemble a desktop PC.

    Otherwise, I don't yet understand what 'oriented on the web' means.

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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Sat Jun 6 04:27:24 2026
    I am afraid I agree with Easter on this. You state you want to
    "assemble" a "PC Linux" or "Mageia". Both are software operating system together with a huge set of programs. They run on computers. You can get
    them for free-- no assembly needed, just installation.

    Or as Easter muses, you are refering to assembling hardare parts into a computer capable of running thos operating system. But almost any PC,
    even if it comes with say Microsoft installed, can have either operating
    system installed.

    As you can see we are confused by your question. If you told us what you
    want, we could be of much greater help.

    On 2026-06-05, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
    kyuzo wrote:
    Hi folks,
    Where could I assemble a good PC Linux (better, Mageia!;)) oriented on
    the web?

    I don't understand this question.

    To me, 'assemble a PC' means to purchase parts, typically for a desktop computer, such as case, power supply, motherboard, CPU, ram, keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc and 'assemble' those parts into a working computer without an operating system such as would be installed by an OEM selling
    an assembled desktop computer, typically with Windows, but sometimes
    more expensively with linux.

    Then, you say 'oriented on the web' -- or maybe the construction could
    be reordered to be, 'where on the web could I (find the necessary pieces
    and parts to) assemble a desktop PC.

    Otherwise, I don't yet understand what 'oriented on the web' means.


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  • From kyuzo@2:250/1 to All on Sat Jun 6 10:30:10 2026
    Il 06/06/26 05:27, William Unruh ha scritto:
    As you can see we are confused by your question. If you told us what you want, we could be of much greater help.

    You and Mike are right, my fault.
    I've bought my last computer in a webshop, where i could plan the configuration of the hardware choosing in different profiles, and then
    the shop send me the assembled product, without OS.
    This, fourteen years ago.
    In the meanwhile this shop closed its activity and now I'm searching for
    a similar solution.

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  • From Daniel70@2:250/1 to All on Sat Jun 6 11:07:52 2026
    On 6/06/2026 1:27 pm, William Unruh wrote:
    I am afraid I agree with Easter on this. You state you want to
    "assemble" a "PC Linux" or "Mageia". Both are software operating system together with a huge set of programs. They run on computers. You can get
    them for free-- no assembly needed, just installation.

    Or as Easter muses, you are refering to assembling hardare parts into a computer capable of running thos operating system. But almost any PC,
    even if it comes with say Microsoft installed, can have either operating system installed.

    ..... or BOTH OS's installed .... i.e. Dual Boot.

    As you can see we are confused by your question. If you told us what you want, we could be of much greater help.

    On 2026-06-05, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
    kyuzo wrote:
    Hi folks,
    Where could I assemble a good PC Linux (better, Mageia!;)) oriented on
    the web?

    I don't understand this question.

    To me, 'assemble a PC' means to purchase parts, typically for a desktop
    computer, such as case, power supply, motherboard, CPU, ram, keyboard,
    mouse, monitor, etc and 'assemble' those parts into a working computer
    without an operating system such as would be installed by an OEM selling
    an assembled desktop computer, typically with Windows, but sometimes
    more expensively with linux.

    Then, you say 'oriented on the web' -- or maybe the construction could
    be reordered to be, 'where on the web could I (find the necessary pieces
    and parts to) assemble a desktop PC.

    Otherwise, I don't yet understand what 'oriented on the web' means.

    --
    Daniel70

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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Sat Jun 6 16:22:05 2026
    In that case it would help to say where you are in the world. It wold
    hardly be useful to tell you about places in London when you live in SanFrancisco or Shanghi. Also it might help to say what special things
    you need. The parts for a computer are often far more retail than the
    proce of the preassembled. I agree that 14 years is a really long time
    for a computer to last, so that parts were clearly of good quality. But
    that is not always the case, and has very little to do with the operating system.

    On 2026-06-06, kyuzo <kyuzo@tenno.com> wrote:
    Il 06/06/26 05:27, William Unruh ha scritto:
    As you can see we are confused by your question. If you told us what you
    want, we could be of much greater help.

    You and Mike are right, my fault.
    I've bought my last computer in a webshop, where i could plan the configuration of the hardware choosing in different profiles, and then
    the shop send me the assembled product, without OS.
    This, fourteen years ago.
    In the meanwhile this shop closed its activity and now I'm searching for
    a similar solution.

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  • From Mike Easter@2:250/1 to All on Sat Jun 6 18:53:43 2026
    kyuzo wrote:
    I've bought my last computer in a webshop, where i could plan the configuration of the hardware choosing in different profiles, and then
    the  shop send me the assembled product, without OS.

    While my first computers were Atari STs preassembled w/ TOS operating
    system, my first Win95 computer was done by a local 'assembly shop' as
    you describe, except that they not only provided the components 'as
    specified' by the customer (kinda like ordering a Dell computer online),
    but they also installed the W95 and some requested software such as
    Office added to the price.

    After that I started assembling my own, while still buying the pieces
    and parts locally when on sale from a big warehouse computer operation.
    Then I would have a computer w/o OS, and by the time W98se came along I
    was more into linux than Win.

    As time went on, I found that I could get my best deals by buying
    refurb/s on sale, typically w/ a refurb Win licensed OS installed, so in
    those days I was mostly dual-booting. Then that evolved into preferring
    to have multiple desktops and NOT dual booting, but instead being able
    to 'flip' between desktops instantly by having KVM (keyboard vid mouse) switch; so I got away from dual booting but still continued to use
    'something' in Win even today, even if 'seldom'.

    Personally I still recommend a refurb Win as the best deal, because
    every refurb I've ever bought was in pristine condition, even tho' knowledgeable advisors have told me that the odds of getting a 'dog'
    were high. I would never buy something 'risky' that requires complex
    return shipping arrangements if you are unhappy. Every time I've bought something that required shipping that had risk, it was able to be
    returned to a storefront.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Mike Easter@2:250/1 to All on Sat Jun 6 19:33:46 2026
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Personally I still recommend a refurb Win as the best deal,

    However, that isn't the only way to go, depending on what you intend to
    do w/ the result.

    One of my systems bought several years ago is an RPi 3B, which has only
    1G ram, but it is actually functional w/ a lightweight Raspbian OS.

    If I were going to do/buy 'that'/such today, there is a lot more
    resources available in higher level RPi/s, which are perfectly capable
    of functioning as a conventional desktop computer w/ sufficient ram.

    You should say what country you are in and what you like to do w/ your computer. Personally I'm mostly using my browser and Tb for newsgroups.

    You posted your msg w/ a tz stamp of +0200

    Eastern Europe: Greece, Finland, Ukraine, Romania, and Latvia.
    Middle East: Egypt, Israel, and Palestine.
    Africa: South Africa, Botswana, and Zimbabwe

    I'm not familiar w/ the best way to buy some kind of computer in those countries.

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  • From Mike Easter@2:250/1 to All on Sat Jun 6 20:35:09 2026
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Personally I still recommend a refurb Win as the best deal,

    I just did a little 'comparison' shopping from my own location, not a tz
    +2. There is *ABSOLUTELY* no comparison of prices between assembling a
    system from new pieces and parts vs buying a refurb, typically w/
    installed W10; the price difference is HUGE.

    Also, for a 'stateside' shopper, I see lotsa 'free shipping'. The first 'problem' I see is that I have no idea of the quality of the refurb/s at
    the site I was shopping, and also the one I was shopping was NOT a local storefront I could return a problem to.

    I could buy 3 or 4 'satisfactorily' equipped systems for what I would
    have to pay for 1 assembled w/ new parts.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Tue Jun 16 02:43:04 2026
    On 2026-06-06 13:53, Mike Easter wrote:
    kyuzo wrote:
    I've bought my last computer in a webshop, where i could plan the
    configuration of the hardware choosing in different profiles, and then
    the  shop send me the assembled product, without OS.

    While my first computers were Atari STs preassembled w/ TOS operating system, my first Win95 computer was done by a local 'assembly shop' as
    you describe, except that they not only provided the components 'as specified' by the customer (kinda like ordering a Dell computer online),
    but they also installed the W95 and some requested software such as
    Office added to the price.

    After that I started assembling my own, while still buying the pieces
    and parts locally when on sale from a big warehouse computer operation.
    Then I would have a computer w/o OS, and by the time W98se came along I
    was more into linux than Win.

    As time went on, I found that I could get my best deals by buying
    refurb/s on sale, typically w/ a refurb Win licensed OS installed, so in those days I was mostly dual-booting. Then that evolved into preferring
    to have multiple desktops and NOT dual booting, but instead being able
    to 'flip' between desktops instantly by having KVM (keyboard vid mouse) switch; so I got away from dual booting but still continued to use 'something' in Win even today, even if 'seldom'.

    Personally I still recommend a refurb Win as the best deal, because
    every refurb I've ever bought was in pristine condition, even tho' knowledgeable advisors have told me that the odds of getting a 'dog'
    were high.  I would never buy something 'risky' that requires complex return shipping arrangements if you are unhappy. Every time I've bought something that required shipping that had risk, it was able to be
    returned to a storefront.

    Depending on what he does with his computer and what he has now, he may
    not need much new hardware. He says his hardware is from 2012.

    My current best laptop is from late 2013, only a year newer, and it runs
    great with Mageia. Another laptop is an HP 6550b, from 2010. That one
    loves Mageia too, but has a bad internal speaker so needs an external
    speaker add-on. My brother's current desktop is a hand-me-down from me,
    and it was also from 2010 - but it works just fine with Mageia.

    One thing those old computers have i common was that I replaced the rust drives that came in them with SSDs, making for a huge boost in
    performance. Two of the machines have 8GB of RAM, one has 16 - plenty if
    all you're looking for is something to surf the web, play some videos,
    and write emails.

    TJ

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  • From Daniel70@2:250/1 to All on Tue Jun 16 12:23:30 2026
    On 16/06/2026 11:43 am, TJ wrote:

    <Snip>

    Depending on what he does with his computer and what he has now, he may
    not need much new hardware. He says his hardware is from 2012.

    My current best laptop is from late 2013, only a year newer, and it runs great with Mageia. Another laptop is an HP 6550b, from 2010. That one
    loves Mageia too, but has a bad internal speaker so needs an external speaker add-on. My brother's current desktop is a hand-me-down from me,
    and it was also from 2010 - but it works just fine with Mageia.

    Back in the Noughties, I had a HP 6730b Laptop that, in 2009, had Win-7 installed. I then installed MandrakaLinux V10.1 on it about a Week
    before those Developers dumped the name Mandrake (because of a naming
    problem with the comic, Mandrake) and switched to MandrivaLinux .... and
    then, later, to MageiaLinux .... which I used through to V 6.0 or
    something before the Win-7 gave up the ghost about eighteen months ago.
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Mike Easter@2:250/1 to All on Tue Jun 16 15:26:22 2026
    TJ wrote:
    Mike Easter wrote:
    kyuzo wrote:
    I've bought my last computer in a webshop, where i could plan the
    configuration of the hardware choosing in different profiles, and
    then the  shop send me the assembled product, without OS.

    Personally I still recommend a refurb Win as the best deal, because
    every refurb I've ever bought was in pristine condition, even tho'
    knowledgeable advisors have told me that the odds of getting a 'dog'
    were high.

    Depending on what he does with his computer and what he has now, he may
    not need much new hardware. He says his hardware is from 2012.

    My current best laptop is from late 2013, only a year newer, and it runs great with Mageia. Another laptop is an HP 6550b, from 2010. That one
    loves Mageia too, but has a bad internal speaker so needs an external speaker add-on. My brother's current desktop is a hand-me-down from me,
    and it was also from 2010 - but it works just fine with Mageia.

    One thing those old computers have i common was that I replaced the rust drives that came in them with SSDs, making for a huge boost in
    performance. Two of the machines have 8GB of RAM, one has 16 - plenty if
    all you're looking for is something to surf the web, play some videos,
    and write emails.

    This machine I'm 'typing' on is a Win7 refurb bios dated '11, came w/ 4G
    ram and I added 4 more; I have another 'twin' just like it. I've added
    SSDs to both of them and they're going strong and doing fine. One of
    them occasionally boots Win7 but is 99.9% linux, and the other's hdd
    died and is 100% linux lives sometimes persistence off its ssd.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 17 00:45:09 2026
    On 16/6/26 21:23, Daniel70 wrote:


    Back in the Noughties, I had a HP 6730b Laptop that, in 2009, had Win-7 installed. I then installed MandrakaLinux V10.1 on it about a Week
    before those Developers dumped the name Mandrake (because of a naming problem with the comic, Mandrake) and switched to MandrivaLinux .... and then, later, to MageiaLinux .... which I used through to V 6.0 or
    something before the Win-7 gave up the ghost about eighteen months ago.

    I almost followed your path
    Mine was computer shop custom build, no OS
    I ran OS/2 for many years then Red Hat then Mandrake and so on
    I think I gave up at Windows 98

    --
    faeychild
    Running kde on 6.6.141-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
    Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 17 01:01:33 2026
    On 16/6/26 11:43, TJ wrote:

    One thing those old computers have i common was that I replaced the rust drives that came in them with SSDs, making for a huge boost in
    performance. Two of the machines have 8GB of RAM, one has 16 - plenty if
    all you're looking for is something to surf the web, play some videos,
    and write emails.

    TJ

    When I had the current box assembled they suggested an SSD
    I was reluctant but went ahead.
    Boot times were mind blowing fast. All those kernel message flashed past
    in record time
    AND THEN I installed Mageia from a USB flash instead of DVD and that
    took moments instead of the usual half an hour
    A brave new world
    --
    faeychild
    Running kde on 6.6.141-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
    Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

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  • From Daniel70@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 17 12:05:04 2026
    On 17/06/2026 9:45 am, faeychild wrote:
    On 16/6/26 21:23, Daniel70 wrote:

    Back in the Noughties, I had a HP 6730b Laptop that, in 2009, had
    Win-7 installed. I then installed MandrakaLinux V10.1 on it about a
    Week before those Developers dumped the name Mandrake (because of a
    naming problem with the comic, Mandrake) and switched to MandrivaLinux
    .... and then, later, to MageiaLinux .... which I used through to V
    6.0 or something before the Win-7 gave up the ghost about eighteen
    months ago.

    I almost followed your path
    Mine was computer shop custom build, no OS
    I ran OS/2 for many years then Red Hat then Mandrake and so on
    I think I gave up at Windows 98

    Win-95 and -98 where on my 8086'ish Desktop ... which I think came with
    DOS-2 or -3 when I brought it ... in about 1986/7 or so.

    That Desktop is sitting on the floor next to the chair that I'm sitting
    in as I type this. ;-P

    Ah!! Memories. When I took my discharge from the Australian Army (after
    twenty years service), the Removalists damaged the 8086 Motherboard
    (HOW??) so they had to re-furbish it, hence the 80286 motherboard
    upgrade. ;-)
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From kyuzo@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 17 17:10:12 2026
    Il 16/06/26 03:43, TJ ha scritto:
    Depending on what he does with his computer and what he has now, he may
    not need much new hardware. He says his hardware is from 2012.

    My current best laptop is from late 2013, only a year newer, and it runs great with Mageia. Another laptop is an HP 6550b, from 2010. That one
    loves Mageia too, but has a bad internal speaker so needs an external speaker add-on. My brother's current desktop is a hand-me-down from me,
    and it was also from 2010 - but it works just fine with Mageia.

    One thing those old computers have i common was that I replaced the rust drives that came in them with SSDs, making for a huge boost in
    performance. Two of the machines have 8GB of RAM, one has 16 - plenty if
    all you're looking for is something to surf the web, play some videos,
    and write emails.

    Well, this is the old beast:

    Processor: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
    Memory:7,7 GiB di RAM
    Graphic:AMD Radeon RX 550 Series 2GB
    HD: ST1000LM035-1RK172
    It is good for games too, if they are no too much resource eaters...

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